Comments on: Perl - NOW is the Time to Step Up!!! http://staynalive.com/articles/2008/01/02/perl-now-is-the-time-to-step-up/ Social Media, Tech, and Rants From Jesse Stay, The "Social" Geek Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:16:30 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Openwookie http://staynalive.com/articles/2008/01/02/perl-now-is-the-time-to-step-up/#comment-429 Openwookie Fri, 04 Jan 2008 19:51:40 +0000 http://staynalive.com/articles/2008/01/02/perl-now-is-the-time-to-step-up/#comment-429 <p>@Uncle Jesse:</p> <p>"I’m speaking as an outsider here - maybe you Rails people can listen and learn, rather than making fun of us and your own who criticize"</p> <p>Listen and learn what? Great insights like "Ruby on Rails is weak right now, it’s breaking apart from the inside.". You've written nothing of substance, you decree that Catalyst is "much more Robust, more scalable package" with nothing to back it up.</p> <p>Your writing remind me of those people who Zed was criticizing. How ironic.</p> @Uncle Jesse:

“I’m speaking as an outsider here - maybe you Rails people can listen and learn, rather than making fun of us and your own who criticize”

Listen and learn what? Great insights like “Ruby on Rails is weak right now, it’s breaking apart from the inside.”. You’ve written nothing of substance, you decree that Catalyst is “much more Robust, more scalable package” with nothing to back it up.

Your writing remind me of those people who Zed was criticizing. How ironic.

]]> By: Openwookie http://staynalive.com/articles/2008/01/02/perl-now-is-the-time-to-step-up/#comment-10229 Openwookie Fri, 04 Jan 2008 19:51:40 +0000 http://staynalive.com/articles/2008/01/02/perl-now-is-the-time-to-step-up/#comment-10229 <p>@Uncle Jesse:</p><br><p>"I’m speaking as an outsider here - maybe you Rails people can listen and learn, rather than making fun of us and your own who criticize"</p><br><p>Listen and learn what? Great insights like "Ruby on Rails is weak right now, it’s breaking apart from the inside.". You've written nothing of substance, you decree that Catalyst is "much more Robust, more scalable package" with nothing to back it up.</p><br><p>Your writing remind me of those people who Zed was criticizing. How ironic.</p> @Uncle Jesse:

“I’m speaking as an outsider here - maybe you Rails people can listen and learn, rather than making fun of us and your own who criticize”

Listen and learn what? Great insights like “Ruby on Rails is weak right now, it’s breaking apart from the inside.”. You've written nothing of substance, you decree that Catalyst is “much more Robust, more scalable package” with nothing to back it up.

Your writing remind me of those people who Zed was criticizing. How ironic.

]]> By: Rails Maintainers (and Users), Take a Hint! by Stay N’ Alive - Social Media, Technology, and Rants From the Life of Jesse Stay http://staynalive.com/articles/2008/01/02/perl-now-is-the-time-to-step-up/#comment-428 Rails Maintainers (and Users), Take a Hint! by Stay N’ Alive - Social Media, Technology, and Rants From the Life of Jesse Stay Fri, 04 Jan 2008 09:45:30 +0000 http://staynalive.com/articles/2008/01/02/perl-now-is-the-time-to-step-up/#comment-428 <p>[...] Perl - NOW is the Time to Step Up!!! [...]</p> […] Perl - NOW is the Time to Step Up!!! […]

]]> By: uncle_jesse http://staynalive.com/articles/2008/01/02/perl-now-is-the-time-to-step-up/#comment-423 uncle_jesse Fri, 04 Jan 2008 04:38:26 +0000 http://staynalive.com/articles/2008/01/02/perl-now-is-the-time-to-step-up/#comment-423 <p>oh shutup, again, your comment contains no substance - show me some statistics to prove your point and I'll start paying attention toyou.</p> oh shutup, again, your comment contains no substance - show me some statistics to prove your point and I’ll start paying attention toyou.

]]> By: uncle_jesse http://staynalive.com/articles/2008/01/02/perl-now-is-the-time-to-step-up/#comment-10228 uncle_jesse Fri, 04 Jan 2008 04:38:26 +0000 http://staynalive.com/articles/2008/01/02/perl-now-is-the-time-to-step-up/#comment-10228 <p>oh shutup, again, your comment contains no substance - show me some statistics to prove your point and I'll start paying attention toyou.</p> oh shutup, again, your comment contains no substance - show me some statistics to prove your point and I'll start paying attention toyou.

]]> By: oh shutup http://staynalive.com/articles/2008/01/02/perl-now-is-the-time-to-step-up/#comment-427 oh shutup Thu, 03 Jan 2008 21:26:16 +0000 http://staynalive.com/articles/2008/01/02/perl-now-is-the-time-to-step-up/#comment-427 <p>uncle_jesse, you're correct...it's not dead, just morphing into COBOL. It'll enjoy a nice long slow death curve, but have no doubt, the language has jumped the shark.</p> uncle_jesse, you’re correct…it’s not dead, just morphing into COBOL. It’ll enjoy a nice long slow death curve, but have no doubt, the language has jumped the shark.

]]> By: oh shutup http://staynalive.com/articles/2008/01/02/perl-now-is-the-time-to-step-up/#comment-10227 oh shutup Thu, 03 Jan 2008 21:26:16 +0000 http://staynalive.com/articles/2008/01/02/perl-now-is-the-time-to-step-up/#comment-10227 <p>uncle_jesse, you're correct...it's not dead, just morphing into COBOL. It'll enjoy a nice long slow death curve, but have no doubt, the language has jumped the shark.</p> uncle_jesse, you're correct…it's not dead, just morphing into COBOL. It'll enjoy a nice long slow death curve, but have no doubt, the language has jumped the shark.

]]> By: uncle_jesse http://staynalive.com/articles/2008/01/02/perl-now-is-the-time-to-step-up/#comment-426 uncle_jesse Thu, 03 Jan 2008 20:18:22 +0000 http://staynalive.com/articles/2008/01/02/perl-now-is-the-time-to-step-up/#comment-426 <p>Andy, I admit - I was wrong on the approval by testers. See my comment above - I still think CPAN is one of the most comprehensive and complete tools available for external module development within a single language. It still has and encourages a very strong suite of testing tools that to me, encourage non-scalable, non-portable code from being released. I feel another blog post coming on to correct this - you are right, testing is <em>not</em> required for a module to be submitted to CPAN. It <em>is</em> however a tool that accompanies development on CPAN, and there is a fairly large number of testers that give feedback on each module that is submitted. I'm not sure any of the other libraries of tools like CPAN out there are as complete.</p> <p>openwookie, I'm speaking as an outsider here - maybe you Rails people can listen and learn, rather than making fun of us and your own who criticize. From what I've seen, despite whatever tools Rails provides to encourage good development, those developing the Rails platform do not have near the experience those on the Catalyst platform have in developing robust software applications.</p> <p>ohshutup, I fail to see the substance of your comment - how about some constructive reasons why you think Perl is dead?</p> Andy, I admit - I was wrong on the approval by testers. See my comment above - I still think CPAN is one of the most comprehensive and complete tools available for external module development within a single language. It still has and encourages a very strong suite of testing tools that to me, encourage non-scalable, non-portable code from being released. I feel another blog post coming on to correct this - you are right, testing is not required for a module to be submitted to CPAN. It is however a tool that accompanies development on CPAN, and there is a fairly large number of testers that give feedback on each module that is submitted. I’m not sure any of the other libraries of tools like CPAN out there are as complete.

openwookie, I’m speaking as an outsider here - maybe you Rails people can listen and learn, rather than making fun of us and your own who criticize. From what I’ve seen, despite whatever tools Rails provides to encourage good development, those developing the Rails platform do not have near the experience those on the Catalyst platform have in developing robust software applications.

ohshutup, I fail to see the substance of your comment - how about some constructive reasons why you think Perl is dead?

]]> By: uncle_jesse http://staynalive.com/articles/2008/01/02/perl-now-is-the-time-to-step-up/#comment-10226 uncle_jesse Thu, 03 Jan 2008 20:18:22 +0000 http://staynalive.com/articles/2008/01/02/perl-now-is-the-time-to-step-up/#comment-10226 <p>Andy, I admit - I was wrong on the approval by testers. See my comment above - I still think CPAN is one of the most comprehensive and complete tools available for external module development within a single language. It still has and encourages a very strong suite of testing tools that to me, encourage non-scalable, non-portable code from being released. I feel another blog post coming on to correct this - you are right, testing is <em>not</em> required for a module to be submitted to CPAN. It <em>is</em> however a tool that accompanies development on CPAN, and there is a fairly large number of testers that give feedback on each module that is submitted. I'm not sure any of the other libraries of tools like CPAN out there are as complete.</p><br><p>openwookie, I'm speaking as an outsider here - maybe you Rails people can listen and learn, rather than making fun of us and your own who criticize. From what I've seen, despite whatever tools Rails provides to encourage good development, those developing the Rails platform do not have near the experience those on the Catalyst platform have in developing robust software applications.</p><br><p>ohshutup, I fail to see the substance of your comment - how about some constructive reasons why you think Perl is dead?</p> Andy, I admit - I was wrong on the approval by testers. See my comment above - I still think CPAN is one of the most comprehensive and complete tools available for external module development within a single language. It still has and encourages a very strong suite of testing tools that to me, encourage non-scalable, non-portable code from being released. I feel another blog post coming on to correct this - you are right, testing is not required for a module to be submitted to CPAN. It is however a tool that accompanies development on CPAN, and there is a fairly large number of testers that give feedback on each module that is submitted. I'm not sure any of the other libraries of tools like CPAN out there are as complete.

openwookie, I'm speaking as an outsider here - maybe you Rails people can listen and learn, rather than making fun of us and your own who criticize. From what I've seen, despite whatever tools Rails provides to encourage good development, those developing the Rails platform do not have near the experience those on the Catalyst platform have in developing robust software applications.

ohshutup, I fail to see the substance of your comment - how about some constructive reasons why you think Perl is dead?

]]> By: Andy Lester http://staynalive.com/articles/2008/01/02/perl-now-is-the-time-to-step-up/#comment-425 Andy Lester Thu, 03 Jan 2008 19:55:56 +0000 http://staynalive.com/articles/2008/01/02/perl-now-is-the-time-to-step-up/#comment-425 <p>"Have you seen the process it takes to get a module on CPAN? There are hoards of testers that have to approve it first."</p> <p>What makes you think that? It's completely untrue, and I'm wondering what gives you that perception, because it's something I'd like to work against if it's widespread.</p> “Have you seen the process it takes to get a module on CPAN? There are hoards of testers that have to approve it first.”

What makes you think that? It’s completely untrue, and I’m wondering what gives you that perception, because it’s something I’d like to work against if it’s widespread.

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